Men ... I'm gonna give something else to think about ... Everywhere it says that Kurt had triple the lethal dose of drugs in his body ...
Now comes the big surprise ... How can anyone said something like that if on the "Kurt"'s body was no autopsy ? There is a know fact that there were no autopsy on Kurt Cobain ... So how can they say the body had 3 times the lethal dose ?
I'm not a heroin addict but I can see an overdose ... But how can you say for sure it was 3 times the lethal dose ?
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Good point... but maybe someone says that he must have triple the lethal dose of morphine because he looks really horrible...
Hello. Good blog!
I've found a tape that says something about autopsy:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xL9bDj1KaL0
Something like the autopsy said that he killed himselve or something.
Greets,
Passion_King.
you dont have to do an autopsy on a body to determine drug levels,a simple blood test would reveal that,and bodys do all kinds of things after death.its not like everybody looks the same after death.theres dozens of factors to why maybe his body or hand didnt look like his. i mean i wish he was alive too,but being an addict myself to the same drugs kurt was on i know that you can change a lot in 48 hours,actually you can change from happy to suicidal in 48 minutes. its a tragedy regardles,probably courtney killed him,maybe he committed suicide its very probable. as far as his death being staged there would have to be a lot of people involved,and they would eventually run their mouth. besides they said the same thing about jim morrison and he was out of the country,so he could have staged his death a lot easier and hes never turned up anywhere!
"as far as his death being staged there would have to be a lot of people involved,and they would eventually run their mouth."
That's why we hear here and there that Kurt staged his death.I think some people run their mouth.
And you can shut people's mouth very well with paying them.
it was in the paper a while ago that when he overdosed he did overdose on heroin.
and it said that he would of had so mutch heroin injected into his arms he wouldnt even have to strength pull the trigger of the shotgun..let alone hold the shotgun.
so how did he pull it himself ?
the answer ... hes either still alive or it was murder.
reply guyss i wantt some answers
peace x
Chris ... if it would be murder do you think seattle police wouldnt gave 100 % to solve this case ? I mean it was on allmost all tv stations in the world ... it wasnt just some ordinary case ... my sincere opinion is that Kurt settled with Courtney over his millions (the only thing that could shut up Courtney's mouth) and began a new life with someone else.
He tripled the amount to, insure he wouldn't be in anymore pain I'm sure it's all in the mind of some teenager thinking of course he's still alive and course he's living still which no offense is a cruck of shit.)
"When Kurt was growing up by they age of 27 he would have went off and loaded a 20 gag shot gun and loaded up on drugs." he made the choice to become addict and he was also in real pain." Cross word puzzles are wounderful and if you want to keep the simplest slow of hope he's still alive then so be it, but he joined Janis and of course Hendrix and Jerry.
He was also the person to change the worlds music, be blessed with all he left be-hide he hated the career choice and they all know he's one of the best one's out there.) People would have killed to have the same guitar skills as him."
27 and and then went to the suicidal attempt in Rome was the one to bring on his death back into USA. Don't forget John Lennon as well.)
Bingo.) Close the blog down it's waste of time.) Sorry to be blunt."
ok if you had 3 times the lethal dose you couldnt possibly pull the trigger
you would loose all muscle control
and then die.but after words the shotgun could have been pointing towards his face as if he was going to shoot himself before he OD then his nerves could of twitched and pulled the trigger.i know it sounds cheesy but you never know.i also believe he commited sucide is becuase during the week he died, he didnt want there to even be a band in the first place.
i personally think kurt did commit sucide. and the other people who think courtney paid that one guy kill kurt, he is just random person.she probaly went to other people first and then they would tell the police.or maybe it didnt happen like that.i dont know about that
ok if you had 3 times the lethal dose you couldnt possibly pull the trigger
you would loose all muscle control
and then die.but after words the shotgun could have been pointing towards his face as if he was going to shoot himself before he OD then his nerves could of twitched and pulled the trigger.i know it sounds cheesy but you never know.i also believe he commited sucide is becuase during the week he died, he didnt want there to even be a band in the first place.
i personally think kurt did commit sucide. and the other people who think courtney paid that one guy kill kurt, he is just random person.she probaly went to other people first and then they would tell the police.or maybe it didnt happen like that.i dont know about that
in cases of deaths by heroin overdose, its common to find bodys with needles still in their arm (or wherever it was injected), meaning the person died before even finishing the injection! with a triple lethal dose of HEROIN (cuz even though heroin is a derivative of morphine, they are EXTREMELY diffrent. morphine takes up to a few minutes to act, when heroin is imediate. Kurt cobain was on heroin, not on morphine, he didnt think morphine was strong enough to block his stomach pains) so, with a triple dose of heroin you lose muscle function imediatley, he wouldnt have been able to twitch. im not a drug addict myself, so i wouldnt know, but i doubt that while the injection, kurt had a hand on the trigger waiting to shoot. and there actually was an autopsy, but the results were never told to the public. people on the crime scene took a blood sample and showed that his heroin level was 1.52mg per litre, which shows that they actually know it was a triple lethal dose.
besides, when you study the note he left, you realize easily that, apart form the last four lines (which were added by someone else, handwriting specialists have confirmed it) it is only a letter saying he is leaving the music industry and courtney. it was a letter to us, a letter to his fans. not a suicide note.
and Boddah, the seattle police didnt do much to start with, the murder investigators didnt do much. the only real investigation there was was by Tom Grant, and he is sure that Courtney and their live-in babaystitter killed Kurt. http://cobaincase.com if you're still undecided. Kurt is dead. its hard, but we all have to accept it...
oh, and the 'suicide attepmt' in rome wasnt one. and dont you find it strange that the theory that it was a suicide attempt only sufaced AFTER his death? and the note he left courtney (which she later destroyed on advice of a policeman who said it could 'bring her a lot of troulbe') only trashed ehr and said he was leaving her. not tht he was leaving life. ( courtney must have had a ego issue thinking she was Kurts life, and when he said he was going to leave her it AUTOMATICALLY meant he was leaving his life aswell. get a grip, woman) why did courtney do everything she possibly could to prove Kurtwas suicidal? why did she insist so much? what does she have to hide? and why did the guy who said she gave his 50grand to kill kurt die a week after saying this?
Kurt overdosed. Either intentionally or accidentally. Tom Grant and/or Dylan Carlson found his dead body, conferred with Courtney as to what to do, then shot Kurt post-mortem. Grant then treated the scene like a crime scene, wiped everything and planted the "suicide" note at Courtney's instruction. They had like three days to do all this. The audio tape of him and Dylan looking for Kurt and playing dumb about not knowing about the greenhouse completely reeked of an alibi. Something that would hold up in court.
Kurt's legacy would not have been the same if he had overdosed accidentally. A shotgun blast to the head is a statement. It tells the legend and establishes him as rock royalty and a cash cow for eternity. He accidentally overdoses and he's a joke and a screw up let down bummer. Not as profittable. Courtney's a businesswoman! And completely consumed by image and fame.
The theory of him committing suicide holds up with this scenario. The theory of him being "murdered" holds up. And the theory of him being injected with so much heroin that he wouldn't have been able to pull the trigger still holds up.
I never thought him shooting himself was in his character. Overdosing always seemed way more plausible and in line with his character. He wasn't that brave or violent at all. He and his image were truly raped. Poor sod, dumb sap. You gotta feel for him.
Of course, I have no real proof of this. I had to wake up and comment, it came to me in a dream...
I think Kurts death was 100% suicide. Why bother with the hassle of making a murder scene look like a suicide if he already had a lethal dose of heroin in his body? Why not just make it look like he'd taken an overdose?
Also as a past user myself I know that different users build up tolerance levels to heroin ... basically the more you use the more you need, and by all accounts Kurt was a very heavy user. I agree with the anonymous comment about a users state of mind ... maybe if he had just stopped & thought for a few moments he would have changed his mind. Kurt if definatley dead ...
Dude, I just expained to you why. For his legacy and his memory. You have to tell the story, the legend. If the official story was that he overdosed, it makes the whole Nirvana phenomenon a joke. It's anti-climactic and not befitting a artist of his stature. A shotgun to the head is a statement. It shows definite intent and is shocking and memorable. It also gives the passion and the messages in his music more creedence. Just because your'e a past user doesn't mean your'e an expert on depression and users mind sets. All it proves is that you're lame for trying that drug in the first place and probably burnt up from the neck up. That's like me saying because I'm a pisces that I feel Kurt's pain and understand him better than other people. Makes no sense. Repeating the theories that other people have already presented doesn't show you have the ability to think for yourself. Even if you're speculating. Nobody knows the exact truth, it's all hypothesis. But at least a new thought or idea makes for better conversation and something new to think about.
Total & utter bullshit. Kurt Cobain COMMITED SUICIDE by blowing his head off with a shot gun, Simple as ... because he killed himself at the height of his career his legacy was always going to live on regardless of how he died.
"Total & utter bullshit. Kurt Cobain COMMITED SUICIDE by blowing his head off with a shot gun, Simple as ... because he killed himself at the height of his career his legacy was always going to live on regardless of how he died."
Okay, you people really need to research this stuff before you come online and make a fool of yourself. First of all, why would Kurt want to commit suicide? He was already huge. Not to mention he had a baby girl. If you HAD researched it, you would find that all evidence points to murder. Courtney Love murdered her husband because he was going to leave her. Maybe there were other reasons, too. But, as someone has already said, Courtney tried so hard to convince everyone that Kurt was suicidal. However, Kurt's close friends claim that, if anything, Kurt was the happiest he'd ever been. Kurt was in that greenhouse for three days before his body was found. BUT, the day before he was found, Courtney had talked to Kurt's best friend, Dylan. She told him to "be sure to check the greenhouse." How the hell did she know he was up there? Hm, because she murdered him. Also, papers were found where Courtney was practicing Kurt's handwriting. Wonder what that was for? Could it be so she could finish writing his letter. Which, by the way, that letter was only stating that Kurt didn't want to be in the industry anymore, not that he didn't want to live. It didn't say anything about suicide until the end, which just so happens to be the part that was NOT his handwriting. However, you fools can believe what you want. It doesn't change the fact that a murderer has not been punished. And it doesn't change the truth. Anyone who is really interested in the case should visit Tom Grant's website: cobaincase.com! It explains so much.
Also, someone COULD have found out the whole truth. If only the Seattle police hadn't brushed it off as suicide just because they were lazy. When someone dies, you're supposed to dig. So far the only one to do that has been Tom Grant.
how could he have had 3 times the leathal amount of smack in him and still roll down that LONG SLEEVE SHIRT and pull the trigger.im thinking staged photo...
BullShit! Just adds to the "Mystery Effect" of his death! very well thought out....lol
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so she read the note, and she was acting. like she was in pain...
and makin a movie, and the diaries the bio, all that is = MONEY good money good clothes good plastic surgery,,,
well we dont know
why the last words in the note were so damn big and changed the letters go one way the the other way,,, left hand.. right hand?
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the charless CROSS BIOGRAPHI IS INSANE they want you to think that kurt KILLED HIMSELF, IS SO MANIPULATOR
EVERYBODY HAS A PRICE,
dont believe in everythnig that you read folks..
Well if kurt was filled with three times the lethal dose of morphine, how could he possibly raise a shotgun to his mouth and pull the trigger ??????????
im not kurt. but my YouTube name is Rapter57. i had a realization a few days ago. i cant explain why he is alive other than
1. courtneys eulogy less than convincing
2. a secret society thats been around since the 90s isnt really that secret at all
3. a tour in germany with 38 shows, plus lollapalooza, plus some show near italy somewhere, plus an intermission in-between for breaks
4. dylan and tom were fucking jacking off when they were looking for him. i mean honestly. PAID IN ADVANCE
5. his head was intact. it was a shotgun. everything was strewn all over the place. its a message. kurt.might.not.be.dead.
and if its you, Boddoh, come out of hiding.
ok.... here is my opinion about this..... There was NO autopsy of Kurt.... but they did took blood samples and they investigate it....
lmao it wasn't morphine it was heroin and valium you dope! jesus, i hate when people post false info just to try and make their case! and people buy it....
Even though there was no autopsy, there was blood analysis... because there was blood.
Hey, I just need to write this somewhere and chose this site just because this was the topic of debate here and it's easy to post.
Here is the deal...
"Three times the lethal dose" is just a medical term saying that if a person took that amount of that specific drug (in this case Heroin, which turns into morphine shortly after injecting, plus some other alkaloids that get you high as well.) If a person with little or no tollerance took that amount of Heroin they would stop breathing and die. However, addicts have a tolerance to the drug where it doesn't have the same effects on the body. Most longterm users of heroin use way way more than the lethal dose on a daily basis and have huge withdrawl sickness symptoms if they don't. Most overdoses occur when an addict tries to stop using and withdraws succesfully for a few days or more and then they relapse, using the same amount as before and they OD and maybe die if they don't get medical help. This is because their bodies are not use to using anymore and they have taken a "lethal dose". Many addicts take as much or more than Cobain was found with on a regular basis and continue to live day after day. Most people who haven't used drugs, been addicted to something or had drug addiction therapy don't realize this and read the "3 X lethal dose" and think that it is a law or fact that you will doe with a lethal dose.
Another example would be cigarettes... someone who is addicted can chain smoke all day and not get sick, but if someone who has not smoked before did the same, they would get very very ill. Same with alcohol, or any drug.
Sooooooo, Cobain very well could have killed himself with the amount of drugs in his system if he were an addict with a tolerance, which we all know that he was to some degree. The amount of drugs that were in his body, probably weren't too much more than he normally took everday I would imagine. From what I have read there was heroin (black tar) found in his cigar box, he didn't even take all that was there. That makes me think he probably just took within a range of his normal dose. Also, I think since he escaped from rehab within the last week before death and was depressed/suicidal, he probably was taking more heroin than usual and his tolerance went up in the days previous to his suicide.
Anyway, I know this was long-winded but the lethal dose thing is just false, don't let it make you think it turned him into some zombie that couldn't pull a trigger. I know there are some other weird things that happened...but, this part isn't relevant.
um I personally believe that someone killed Kurt. I mean, I know that he had a TON of heroin in his system but seriously they deff. said that he wrote the suicide note after he did the heroin THEN pulled the trigger. Come on? really? I don't think so. NO ONE can right a full page in that state of mind. and even if he did write it before he did the heroin usually people who are about to kill themselves don't write a biography before they go. jeeze come on.
Jack ass. He did have an Autopsy. There are SEVERAL pictures of him on the slab with tubes of all sorts draining him as they do what they do.
Morons.
All yall can shut up he is dead and that's it
There was an autopsy and the "fact" you people say "that his head was intact" is completely false I saw a photo of his autopsy his face was gone just look at it on celebrity autopsy.com where there is also a offical certificate of death.
All of you claiming that Seattle PD did nothing, well you're right. They couldn't do anything because where he died (in Aberdeen) was over THREE HOURS AWAY FROM SEATTLE!!! So those of you talking about research...at least research THAT detail too!
I shoot heroin all the time, and while I believe it's absolutely possible to pull a trigger no matter how high you are... you wouldn't want to.
Heroin feels fucking great, no one would want to die when under the influence of it...
ur an idiot....all it takes to find that information is a blood sample, not an entire autopsy. some peoples children dont think very much.....
-Eldon Hoke, singer of a band called the Mentors, claimed he was offered $50,000 by Courtney Love three months earlier to kill her husband. On March 6, 1996, Hoke was administered a polygraph test by Dr. Edward Gelb, who is one of the country's leading polygraph experts. He passed with a 99.7% chance that he was telling the truth. eight days after having his story filmed by Broomfield, Hoke was found dead in Riverside, California by the California Highway Police. The event was described as "highly suspicious" with good reason.
Courtney met El Duce in the late 80's.
A founder member of her band Hole was Caroline Rue who was going out with Eric Carlson, aka Sickie Wifebeater, who was the Mentors guitarist.
The fact that El Duce had some knowledge of/connection with Seattle would be useful.
During the High Times article El Duce claimed that in the last day's of December 1993, Courtney Love pulled up outside The Rock Shop, a Hollywood record shop, at 1644 Wilcox Ave, Hollywood, and spoke to him. The conversation went:
C Love: "El, I need a favour of you. My old man's been a real asshole lately, I need you to blow his fucking head off."
El Duce: "Are you serious"?
C Love: "Yeah, I'll give you $50,000 to blow his fucking head off."
El Duce: "I'm serious if you are".
CLove: "Where can I reach you"?
El Duce: "You can reach me here".
They then went into the store and he handed her a business card. The manager of the shop, Karush Sepedjian remembers the visit. He said: "El was kicking it out on the bench in front of the store and she came up. I overheard her saying, "Can you handle doing this? Can you get this done? What do you want for it"? They were talking about knocking off Kurt Cobain. Then El brought her inside and said to me quietly, "She offered me $50,000".
Love then took a business card and left. Sepedjian then went on to say that in March 1994 Love contacted the shop asking for El Duce, who at the time was on tour. Courtney was screaming: "That son of a bitch, we made an agreement. What am I going to do"? Sepedjian replied: "I don't know, I've got a business to run. Goodbye."
Ten days later Kurt's body was found. This would imply that she spoke to Sepedjian around March 30th 1994. Could this be the "business" she told Carroll and Grant that she had to attend to, rather than going back to Seattle to look for Kurt?
Sepedjian went on to say: "I was like Whoa! I wonder if she actually did pay some sucker to blow off his head"? El Duce said; "Maybe she got somebody else. I think Kurt was getting ready to divorce her for adultery charges. She had to have him whacked right away so she could get the money."
http://cobainwasmurdered.webs.com/romeandmore.htm
People,what do you think about that?
Remember something else too. The cops in Seattle and the media in general hated grunge and its leaders. Punk was already assimilated, but this grunge movement posed a real threat; it was a "bore from within," philosophy not a dropout strategy, but an alternative world concept. Cobain, all by himself, had the Seattle establishment by the balls and got a kick out of watching his neighbors jaws drop when he moved into the swank lakeside neighborhood. That kind of radicalism really scares the establishment, always has and always will...
But Kurt was already a target for the police. He was well known for saying, "Vandalism: Beautiful as a rock in a cop's face." So the local police had [contempt] for him or for what they perceived as his "pseudo poverty." Look what Todd Rungren and Andy Rooney said about Cobain. Look at all the Deadheads who said good riddance. Here we have this fallen king, and nobody is looking at the real evidence because everybody wants to believe he blew his face off.
Whoever killed him was counting on that.
Courtesy of Hank Harrison, taken from the now defunct arkives.net (1999)
"Someone wanted to shut him up. He was just too damned outspoken and, more importantly, he was teaching his fans to think for themselves. How dare he send subliminal messages out over a media controlled by corporate capital. Cobain had to be stopped because he was leading the brainwashed away from their cereal bowls and brand name identities."..."Kurt would not kiss the corporate ass...Kurt was fast becoming personae non-grata at Geffen and Gold Mountain." - Beyond Nirvana, p. 298 - "I think denying the corporate ogre is kind of a waste of time, you should use them, rape them the way they rape you." - Kurt Cobain
"But whoever killed him also envied him because they immediately set about to disgrace his good name at every possible juncture."
"It wasn't a well-planned murder. It was just done in little pieces but they were relying on the fact that they could cover everything up." - Hank Harrison
from www.KurtCobainCase.com
They killed him,like they killed Jim Morrison too
and made it look like a suicide or OD
Kurt and Jim had too powerfull influence on people over the world,and they just wont let them live in peace,just like they sent hitman to kill John Lennon
history repeats....
When Courtney found out that Kurt fled rehab, why did she contact a private eye and not the police first? Why were the private eye and the police told to watch a drug dealer’s house and check hotels for Kurt, but not told that the nanny Michael DeWitt had seen him at the house? Why was a good friend of Courtney Love’s appointed as examining physician?
Obviously I wish Kurt was still alive but there isnt enough evidence on this website to even remotely convince me otherwise. There is no way he would fake his death and not speak to Frances, she was his life. And if she did know, Courtney would know, and there is no way this would have been kept quiet.
I, and many others, genuinely believe Kurt was murdered, theres so much evidence you cant argue against its amazing.
An autopsy was performed, it was by a Dr. Nikolas Hartshorne, who was a close friend of Courtneys, she insisted that it would be him that performed it, like she did with her former bandmate Kristen Pfaff who died a few months later.
By testing the blood. SIMPLE!
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not to mention there were no fingerprints on the drugs, or much of anything.... the suicide note is written in two completely different handwritings. Still to this day sounds a little fishy, ya-know.
i think its kinda funny to read all you people whom refuse to believe anything other than he blew his face off, cram their beliefs down our throats (the people who chose to believe otherwise). leave us be if you see everything in black and white that is your own problem.
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you dont have to do an autopsy on a body to determine drug levels,a simple blood test would reveal that,and bodys do all kinds of things after death.its not like everybody looks the same after death.theres dozens of factors to why maybe his body or hand didnt look like his. i mean i wish he was alive too,but being an addict myself to the same drugs kurt was on i know that you can change a lot in 48 hours,actually you can change from happy to suicidal in 48 minutes. its a tragedy regardles,probably courtney killed him,maybe he committed suicide its very probable. aonline shopping
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Maybe it's better to think that your hero killed himself with a shotgun than to think that he dead by an overdose, who knows if it was accidentally...
After the second lethal dose he would not have been able to pick up the gun and shoot himself
After the second lethal dose he would not have been able to pick up the gun and shoot himself
After the second lethal dose he would not have been able to pick up the gun and shoot himself
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What do you think ABOUT THE ROME INCIDENT ?
Well, after the last Nirvana show, in Munich, Kurt were tired and a little ill, so he decided to went to Rome to take a rest. He stayed in the hotel named Grand H. Excelsior,in via veneto. You know, in the same hotel, in the early '80, were placed the leadership of italian and european freemasonry,and until today they forgather there. The suite number was still the same, 541. At 4.00 a.m. Kurt were found near the bed in a coma... Until 6.00 a.m. Courtney and the nanny, named CAli, cheked on his body, the ambulance arrived at 6.30 a.m. Meanwhile the press already arrived there. The ambulance arrived at 6.30 and took Kurt in the Hospital Policlinico Umberto I, the most important in Rome. They do a gastrolavege on Kurt, and found out 50 pills of rohypnol in his stomach. But later the doctor who takes him care says that there was only a mix of alcohol and some drugs in Kurt's stomach. Anyway, in the hospital they could'nt do anything else for Kurt, he's bad. What about that?
Please tell me something...
Oh sorry, I forget to say that: Grand Hotel E. is very very close to the American Consulate in Rome..It's so strange all taht. A.
TO ANONYMOUS 8/9/2009
Yes, right, don't believe it. Kurt was not a real person, he was an actor playing his own role.Nirvana were a movie in action. Do you really believe that Kurt hated fame? Noooo, he didn't hate it, he loved it and he loved to be rich and famous. He hated his fans, because they were obsessed by him and his music... let it go. And so on, Kurt a sensitive, empathetic, little man pisces? Bullshit, he was obsessed with perfection and he was a leader, leading HIS BAND like a thing in his hands. He was like a dictator with his bandmates, charismatic but always a dictator. What about his marriage? Bullshit, for money and more fame. A damned couple, like Syd & Nancy... Finally, his death...staged, faked, no drugs OD, no shotgun blowning his head off... Of course, the myth, the icon Kurt Cobain is dead, but not the real person, the man Kurt Donald. He's alive and well, coming around the world, and I think he's very HAPPY NOW!!
Thank you for reading.. A.
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My friend has seen Kurt Cobain alive. He just looks older and his hair was longer. Here is the link to a book that prooves Kurt Cobain is still alive.
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